North Korea may have detonated powerful H-Bomb

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So, according to various news outlets, Pyongyang are reporting they've tested the most powerful nuclear weapon the country has had to date, and they are in a position to mass produce. 

Apparently a test was recorded by independent sources which measured 6.3 on the Richter scale, which would make the bomb 11 times more powerful than anything they've had in their arsenal to date.

Personally, while it seems they still have some way to go, they're maturing their military technology at an alarming rate. It's certainly worrying to say the least.


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Didn't Trump claim this was a red line some time ago? Looks like NK is testing him. Interesting times - China announced that they'd side with NK in case the US strikes first and meanwhile Russia is preparing the largest military exercise since the Cold War.


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I've said it before and I'll say it again: the longer we bugger about with this sanctions crap the worse the eventual fight is going to get. They're not going to back down, they're going to end up in a position where there's all these weapons lying around and the only way to continue to escalate is to use them. We should be putting an end to this.


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FileTrekkerSo, according to various news outlets, Pyongyang are reporting they've tested the most powerful nuclear weapon the country has had to date, and they are in a position to mass produce. 

Apparently a test was recorded by independent sources which measured 6.3 on the Richter scale, which would make the bomb 11 times more powerful than anything they've had in their arsenal to date.

Personally, while it seems they still have some way to go, they're maturing their military technology at an alarming rate. It's certainly worrying to say the least.


It's not worrying.

I repeat this same line every time North Korea comes up, and I repeat it because it's true - North Korea will never use its nuclear weapons against another country, at least not unprovoked.

Why?

Kim is happy to live in his ivory tower and be venerated by millions of brainwashed victims. 

His nuclear rhetoric is designed to do two things:

1. Persuade his people that he's holding off the apocalypse.

According to North Korean propaganda, the reviled western world is jealous of the paradise that NK citizens enjoy. We want to kill them all.

If that sounds absurd, it's because it is, but when you control all media in your country and kill people and their families for consuming foreign media, it's easy to persuade people of your point of view.

The Kim dynasty has convinced the North Korean people that America and its allies want to destroy them. The brainwashing they've been subjected to isn't hugely different to the brainwashing that Christians have been subjected to when it comes to atheists, actually.

By developing nuclear weapons, Kim has proven his power. No sane state will attack them now. And in so doing, he is proving to his people that he is their best hope at deflecting an American attack.

2. Dissuade the western world from interfering with his regime.

Kim is aware that we all want him gone. He is aware that what he's doing is wrong, and he's aware that he has no friends outside of his country - not even China. Do you know what would happen if NK *actually* nuked somebody? China would be the first country to send millions of soldiers in and seize control of the country. Their response would make America's 'shock and awe' doctrine look like a peaceful tea party. China values NK as a buffer. The instant Kim oversteps his bounds, China will destroy his regime and appoint a puppet government.

Kim knows he has no friends. So he needs another way to keep the entire fucking world from overthrowing his regime.

What better way than nukes? And what better way to demonstrate that you have nukes, than announcing that you have them and then demonstrating that this is the case?

Kim knows that we think he's nuts. He sees the reports. He knows that nobody would dare to go anywhere near his country if we thought he could nuke us. He's seen Russia's example - and Russian military doctrine continues to assert that they will use nuclear weapons if they feel their state is threatened, even conventionally - and mimicked it.



He likes being worshipped as a demigod. He likes his position. He knows that he needs to stick his claws in and hold on to it, otherwise he'll be overthrown.

His rhetoric is designed to reinforce his rule. He will never actually nuke anybody, unless they make him feel threatened. He just wants people to think that he will.

And I will stake my life and reputation on this assertion.

But like I said, if he ever does actually nuke somebody without provocation, China will be the first to deal with it. 


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Pretend edit, as I can't edit on a phone (:@):

This whole narrative about America being 'ready for war' is doing nothing but feeding into Kim's own narrative about America's intentions. It's helping him to convince North Koreans that they are starving to death to support the nuclear program because if they don't, the evil Americans will destroy their lives.

But Trump will not, and cannot, attack North Korea. Conventionally or otherwise. The instant he thinks he can, South Korea will be rubble. Destroyed. Annihilated. NK doesn't even need nuclear weapons to accomplish that. We're talking about the most militarized border on the planet, here- the most enormous concentration of artillery ever assembled is aimed directly at Seoul.

Guess which country a huge number of computer components and mobile phones come from?

Trump's generals will prevent him from doing so. South Korea is a lifeline to the global economy these days. Losing it would cause a recession beyond anything we've experienced in our lifetimes.

Again, Kim knows this. Kim can diplomatically escalate the situation as much as he likes, because with the permanent exception of China, nobody will do business with them anyway. His country has adapted. 


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Mr. MattThe Kim dynasty has convinced the North Korean people that America and its allies want to destroy them. The brainwashing they've been subjected to isn't hugely different to the brainwashing that Christians have been subjected to when it comes to atheists, actually.


It's not just that.  Like you said the US rhetoric about securing NK is bordering on similar grounds.  For over a hundred years the level of us vs. them mentality and propaganda has been growing inexplicably.  I like to think that (well...ok I don't LIKE to think it but...) is all it really is just a public display of power while engaging in a covert agreement of letting things happen just as they do.  We get the impression we are so special and the North Koreans get the same thing only with 10x the jingoist hatred and forced obedience.


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Mr. MattThe Kim dynasty has convinced the North Korean people that America and its allies want to destroy them. The brainwashing they've been subjected to isn't hugely different to the brainwashing that Christians have been subjected to when it comes to atheists, actually.


It's not just that.  Like you said the US rhetoric about securing NK is bordering on similar grounds.  For over a hundred years the level of us vs. them mentality and propaganda has been growing inexplicably.  I like to think that (well...ok I don't LIKE to think it but...) is all it really is just a public display of power while engaging in a covert agreement of letting things happen just as they do.  We get the impression we are so special and the North Koreans get the same thing only with 10x the jingoist hatred and forced obedience.



I don't think the US response is comparable, and I certainly don't think that their respective peoples are comparable.

It's a fact that if it wasn't for America, North Korea would have invaded South Korea by now. At the beginning, it was just another proxy war in the grander scheme of the Cold War, but now protecting SK is a humanitarian and economic concern. But make no mistake - if the US and its allies didn't care about SK, SK would either be gone, or heavily damaged.

The one and only interest China has in the situation is keeping American troops away from its border, which is why they'd be the first to step in if NK ever nuked anybody. It was why a million Chinese soldiers poured over the border in the original Korean War.

It's also a fact that if it wasn't for the Soviet Union and China, North Korea would be gone too. It would have been gone long before they were able to develop nukes. It would never have formed in the first place. Korea would have been whole. The only thing that stopped this was Soviet support, and the aforementioned million Chinese troops pouring across the border. The UN forces were winning before that happened. 

This fact feeds into their propaganda. The US and its allies wanted to destroy NK, but their glorious leader held them at bay. Now, to continue holding them at bay, Kim needs nukes. Developing them proves that he's the leader NK needs to keep them safe.

There is no agreement between the two sides besides a mutual understanding that they hate each other. There isn't either an agreement with China, and we're friends these days. China wants the status quo to remain because it keeps America away from their border. But NK wants SK gone, and SK wants NK gone. It's written into their respective constitutions - the two Koreas must be one.

The difference is that North Korea's regime is demonstrably evil. America's, for all of its flaws and the cockwomble who's in charge at the moment, isn't. I've gone into detail on Kim's motivations and position before, if you want to read it.