North Korea: Food for Thought

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So I think most of us are aware of, or have been told, the likely timeline of events should North Korea declare war on the U.S.  The first move would be to invade Seoul which would doubtlessly cost tens-of-thousands of military and civilian lives alike and engage our 2nd Infantry Division.  The question is who will win in this scenario.  With the current situation it seems as though North Korea has successfully pissed off anyone who had even a shred of alliance with them meaning they are on their own militarily.  

With this thread I'd like to discuss a possible timeline of events.  For starters: if such a thing were to occur does the U.S. have the necessary resources to fight both the Middle East and North Korea, and if not does would that lead to another draft?  The second concern is what happens to the government and aristocracy; would Kim Jong Un flee to safety or actually go so far as to have a dead-man's-switch on site?   


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That all depends on who strikes first.

China has stated that they will stay neutral if North Korea strikes first, but they will defend North Korea if America strikes first.


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China is currently about to go into a border war with india over some contested territory over  Bhutan .  SO count them out.

As for NK, They get only one shot at this and it will be all over for them in just mere hours. (And I'm talking about conventional warfare here)

Most of the U.S fleet assets are right here in the pacific.

What the U.S should do is just bomb the shit out of it. No boots on the ground and especially no invasion under the guise of "Unification" and china won't intervene.
 
Or better yet allow Japan, Taiwan and SK to also go nuclear.  I highly doubt the U.S gov. would allow this,  but I think if everyone in East asia goes into M.A.D it would keep the retards like Lil' Kim and Imperial wannabees like China in check. Without the need for the U.S constant policing  of the area. 


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That brings a few thoughts.

1: China is certainly large enough to fight a war on both fronts.
2: And what of Russia? North Korea and Russia have been allies since before Russia became the Soviet Union.
3: If China goes to war with anyone, nations will follow them.
4: If Russia goes to war, former Soviet nations will follow.
5: As much as every nation hates America, several vestigial nations will gladly jump in, simply for the opportunity to shoot at Americans.

6: Then, you also have the simple fact that Pakistan and India hate each other, even though they are political allies. So, if India goes to war, Pakistan will gladly see that as the open door to attack India. Best to attack your enemy when they are distracted by some other enemy, and shoot them in the back.

7: What can of worms will that unleash?


So, with the possibility of this cycle, could we be looking at the start of World War 3?


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First off Dictator don't want to die. They enjoy life too much lording over their slaves and peasants (And let's not kid ourselves here , that is the way they see their people) they wont risk it going all poof in just mere seconds.

Russia will also be too busy playing referee on the China vs. India situation. Old ally vs. Best Customer (Most of india's advancement in both tech and military are all made in  Russia. )

And Pakistan also has some border disputes with China too.

BTW the former Soviet Satellites are Pro Trump and America. Hell they've been defiant of the E.U and Herr Merkel's orders of filling their territories with "cultural enrichment."

As I said as long as the yanks don't try and annex NK, both China and Russia wont intervene. they only want NK to remain a buffer state. Nothing more.

I'm more worried about the followers of the "religion of peace" getting their hands on nukes.


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Adrian ŢepeşSo I think most of us are aware of, or have been told, the likely timeline of events should North Korea declare war on the U.S.  The first move would be to invade Seoul which would doubtlessly cost tens-of-thousands of military and civilian lives alike and engage our 2nd Infantry Division.  The question is who will win in this scenario.  With the current situation it seems as though North Korea has successfully pissed off anyone who had even a shred of alliance with them meaning they are on their own militarily.


North Korea won't declare war on America. Not ever. I've previously explained why. The one and only thing that would cause them to do so is America threatening Kim's rule in such a way that convinces him that he's about to be overthrown.

The threat of artillery strikes against Seoul is Kim's means of deterring America from doing this. His development of nuclear weapons, aside from his ability to show them off to his people and reinforce his 'godhood', is a further means of doing so.

Adrian ŢepeşWith this thread I'd like to discuss a possible timeline of events.  For starters: if such a thing were to occur does the U.S. have the necessary resources to fight both the Middle East and North Korea, and if not does would that lead to another draft?  The second concern is what happens to the government and aristocracy; would Kim Jong Un flee to safety or actually go so far as to have a dead-man's-switch on site?


The timeline of events in this unlikely scenario is very simple.

America or South Korea will have to declare war on North Korea. North Korea won't do so. I don't know what would cause this to happen, as America has no desire to get entrenched in what would promise to be one of the bloodiest and expensive wars in history - they like easy targets. Perhaps North Korea tests one too many nuclear weapons, or they test one too close to an American ally? I don't know.

The instant America does this, China will destroy the North Korean regime. The instant. Millions of Chinese soldiers will pour over the border, annihilate all resistance, and either capture or kill Kim Jong-un and all his lieutenants (assuming they don't commit suicide - if I was Kim, and I faced capture, I would kill myself, as the alternative would be worse). They will appoint a puppet government, and assure the west that they are doing all that they can to 'de-Juche' the country and modernise its populace and economy. They will open the border and allow South Koreans to meet estranged family members again, and they will demilitarise the border. The 'Korea Problem' will be resolved. If American soldiers pull out of South Korea afterwards, because the threat has ended, then they may even open discussions about reunification at some point in the future. They'll attach some conditions to it, though, conditions favourable to China.

It won't matter what other global events are occupying the Chinese government or military at the time. It won't even matter if they were already engaged in a large-scale war themselves. They would bankrupt their own country if they had to, but they would take North Korea.

America won't even have time to position a carrier battle group near the peninsula before China does this. It will make 'shock and awe' look like a lethargic saunter through the countryside by comparison. The US will likely be disappointed that they didn't have chance to 'democratise' North Korea, and they'll probably protest, but they'll no longer have a casus belli to attack them. Even if they thought they somehow did, they'd have to go to war with the only other country approaching superpower status to do so, who also happens to be their largest trading partner and who just made America look like amateurs by seizing North Korea in a matter of days. Even Donald Trump isn't that mad.

Assuming they manage to capture him alive, China won't turn over Kim to any kind of American, South Korean, or international tribunal. However much they currently disdain Kim and his regime, and the trouble they've caused them, Kim and his lieutenants are undoubtedly privy to some dirty Chinese secrets, and would represent a threat to their national security if the international community got their hands on him. America will protest this, too, but they won't be able to do anything about it. He'll be subjected to a show trial in China, and executed.

In the extraordinary event that war was on the cards, this is what would happen. China only tolerates North Korea because it keeps American troops away from their border. The instant Kim's regime no longer serves this purpose, and an American military response appears likely, they will act swiftly and decisively. Exactly the same way they did during the original Korean War, in fact, which UN forces were actually winning before China flooded the place.